While you make some good points, some of the suggestions I made were NOT
designed to make PLS in JMP "state-of-the-art" or world class. JMP
automatically centers and scales your data; I asked for an option to just
center it, and this has not been provided. Hardly asking for
"state-of-the-art", and a very easy change to make. Other requests I had,
such as providing clearer documentation and commonly used plots also are
not requests to make JMP "state-of-the-art". This makes JMP's ignoring of
my input extremely exasperating.
Your comment "I look forward to finding more undocumented features..." is a
frustration I also share regarding JMP, but strangely, not from SAS (I am a
heavy SAS user as well). While there are certainly undocumented features
and bugs in SAS, they are relatively few. In JMP, they crop up almost every
time I use it. I too wind up sending in a lot of bug reports and making a
lot of calls to the JMP Help Desk. JSL is the worst language I have ever
used from that point of view.
--
Paige Miller
Eastman Kodak Company
paige.miller@kodak.com
(585) 477-2946
http://www.kodak.com
"It's nothing until I call it!" -- Bill Klem, NL Umpire
"When you get the choice to sit it out or dance, I hope you dance" -- Lee
Ann Womack
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Ha - this is funny - sardonically of course.
Hating JSL will gain no benefit, neither will talking to SAS.
Exposing shortcomings on the web may help however !
PLS is a crude tool and is limited in its usefulness. I think what is more
important
is an understanding that JMP is an entry level tool for serious stats. And
expecting the PLS
tool to be world class is an expectation doomed to failure. Even so,
ignoring suggestions
is bad form.
JMP 6.0 ... well will see ... I look forward to finding more undocumented
features, unsupported
function calls, unknown (to-date) bugs, and calling the help line with each
and every one.
It is a way of life with software, it is flawed by default to tease and
boggle the mind.
D Palahnuk
Senior Engineer, Process Sciences
ImClone Systems
908 252 3533
Donald.Palahnuk@ImClone.com
paige.miller@kodak.com
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du
Months ago here in this list, I wrote "I Hate JSL" and several of you
suggested that I write up my frustrations and send it to JMP because they
really do listen and value user input. I must admit that I haven't gotten
around to doing that.
However, I have now had another experience where I provided JMP detailed
suggestions for improvement, and they did NOT listen. Three years ago, we
sat down with a JMP developer, and discussed how we felt the PLS platform
in was woefully inadequate and therefore couldn't be used. We provided this
developer with detailed written suggestions on how to improve PLS in JMP.
The developer assured us that there would be many changes of the type we
were discussing when JMP 6 came out.
We have now had a chance to view a beta test of JMP 6 and guess what? The
developer concentrated on the minor stuff, like making more output data
tables; and ignored the major issues that made PLS in JMP unusable. In
other words, PLS is still unusable in JMP 6.
I wrote to JMP expressing my displeasure. I have not heard back, but it has
only been 24 hours.
What do I do next? How should I follow up on this? Or is it a lost cause?
--
Paige Miller
Eastman Kodak Company
paige.miller@kodak.com
(585) 477-2946
http://www.kodak.com
"It's nothing until I call it!" -- Bill Klem, NL Umpire
"When you get the choice to sit it out or dance, I hope you dance" -- Lee
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