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To: rolf@math.unb.ca (Rolf Turner)
Subject: Re: Columns of data.frame ...
From: "Patrick Connolly" <P.Connolly@hortresearch.co.nz>
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:27:15 +1300 (NZDT)
Cc: s-news@wubios.wustl.edu (Snews)
In-reply-to: <200011292117.RAA11748@tanner.math.unb.ca> from "Rolf Turner" at Nov 29, 2000 05:17:45 PM
Reply-to: "Patrick Connolly" <P.Connolly@hortresearch.co.nz>
According to Rolf Turner:
|> 
|> 
|> I still think funny things are going on --- if there aren't bugs then
|> there are annoyingly misleading ``features''.
|> 
|> Consider the following:

.....


|> $z:
|> [1] "numeric"  # Here junk$z ***has*** been coerced to a factor.
|> 
|> Why the difference?

The difference is in the way your junk object is being accessed when
assignments are being made via junk[,'z'] and junk$z

In the latter, only the element named 'z' as part of a list is being
affected.  In the former, the default thing to do with dataframes
(i.e. coerce to factors) is happening.

You could have done junk$z <- "something completely silly"

and received no error until you tried to print junk as a dataframe
which would then indicate the lengths of the elements were not equal.
The error would be obvious immediately if you tried to do it with
junk[,'z']

|> 
|> Whatever the reason, this business of coercing character to factor
|> in data frames is a real annoyance; it misleads and confuses and
|> disrupts and ought to be done away with.

That's why I routinely unfactor dataframes before I do anything else
to them and specifically make factors when I need them.  It avoids
nearly every one of the tricky problems that could arise with lurking
factors.

Two or three years ago I offered to make my unfactor function
available and a few people made use it.  It works fine for my purposes
but it's not really for public exhibition -- I could probably code it
much better now.  If someone is interested, they might like to
start with it to make something that would be universally usable.

best

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