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Re: Summary: Splus vs. R & Linux vs. Windows

To: "'Matt Calder'" <calder@phz.com>, Michael Prager <Mike.Prager@noaa.gov>
Subject: Re: Summary: Splus vs. R & Linux vs. Windows
From: "Warnes, Gregory R" <gregory_r_warnes@groton.pfizer.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:43:48 -0500
Cc: s-news@lists.biostat.wustl.edu
The easiest way to get unix shells and utilities seems to be to install
cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com/).

-Greg


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Calder [mailto:calder@phz.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 5:11 PM
> To: Michael Prager
> Cc: s-news@lists.biostat.wustl.edu
> Subject: Re: [S] Summary: Splus vs. R & Linux vs. Windows
> 
> 
> Michael,
>       About a year ago I tried a multitude of these ported 
> shells in an effort
> to compile perl from source (it would not compile from the 
> standard command
> prompt). I was not able to accomplish this task with either. 
> In addition, I
> wanted an alternative shell to run under emacs on windows (98 
> to be precise).
> Again after much effort I was unable to get acceptable 
> results. Perhaps these
> are not the best yardsticks to measure a shell by. If I 
> recall correctly I tried
> a port of bash, csh, tcsh, and 4DOS. 
> 
>       Matt
> 
> 
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Michael Prager wrote:
> 
> > At 03:57 PM 02/22/2002 -0500, Matt Calder wrote:
> > 
> > >Right, what windows lacks is a decent shell in which to use these 
> > >tools.  If anyone knows otherwise please share.
> > 
> > Last time I investigated, most of the Unix shells had been 
> ported to 
> > Windows, if that's what you mean by "decent." Most of them 
> are available free.
> > 
> > A more MS-like shell is available commercially. That is 4NT 
> (or 4DOS for 
> > the DOS-based Windows versions) from JP Software. Those 
> shells provide 
> > command aliasing and abbreviation; directory history 
> recall; command 
> > recall, completion, and editing; ability to associate 
> command files with 
> > interpreters; and more, while retaining quite close 
> compatibility with the 
> > native MS shells. What the JP programs don't provide is a direct 
> > translation of Unix shell scripting languages (which to me 
> are overly 
> > cryptic); however, you can easily use Python or other 
> scripting language 
> > (or use the 4NT/4DOS extended batch language, certainly no 
> worse than that 
> > of the Unix shells).
> > 
> > Another option would be to install a complete Unix 
> emulation layer, like 
> > the MKS toolkit or (I believe) cygwin.
> > 
> > There are excellent Windows character-based file managers, 
> editors, etc., 
> > available for free or at nominal cost.
> > 
> > Those are some of the options for making Windows shell usage more 
> > interesting and productive. Whether any person will find 
> them as good as, 
> > worse than, or about the same as some of the Unix shells 
> will be a matter 
> > of taste (and perhaps habit).
> > 
> > (Note that none of the above should be construed as 
> official NOAA opinion 
> > or endorsement.)
> > 
> > -- 
> > Michael Prager, Ph.D.                <Mike.Prager@noaa.gov>
> > NOAA Beaufort Laboratory
> > Beaufort, North Carolina  28516
> > http://shrimp.ccfhrb.noaa.gov/~mprager/
> > ***
> > 
> > 
> 
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