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Re: lme question

To: Birgit Mair <mair@slcmsr.org>
Subject: Re: lme question
From: Achaz von Hardenberg <achaz.von.hardenberg@usherbrooke.ca>
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:17:15 +0100
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Scrive Birgit Mair <mair@slcmsr.org>:

> Hallo s-news,
>
> I used lme to fit a linear mixed effects model as follows:
> lme(y~ time + x2 + x3 + x4,  random= list(center=~1, pid=~time, data=work)
>
> My qqnorm-plot is heavy tailed, because of a lot of outliers, so the
> residuals are not normally distributed. In Pinheiro and Bates (2000) I
> read that this would lead to conservative tests. One of my fixed effects
> has an p-value of 0.059 in the summary t-test, thus I have to exclude it
> from the model. Does anybody know, if there is a better test with "true"
> p-values or how to deal with this data?
> Thank you in advance
>
> Birgit

Birgit,
I do not know what kind of independent variables you are using, but log
transforming them (or some other transformation) may help to attain normality
of error terms...

Following Pinhero and Bates, the summary t-tests are not the most robust way to
test for the significance of fixed terms. You should rather try F-tests, which
can be easily done with the anova.lme object

hope this helps!
good luck,

Achaz von Hardenberg

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