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Re: something between multinom() and polr()/lrm()

To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper@unh.edu>
Subject: Re: something between multinom() and polr()/lrm()
From: Frank E Harrell Jr <f.harrell@vanderbilt.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 13:01:29 -0400
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Andrew Cooper wrote:

Hello again S-news-ers,

After reading articles, help files, s-news and R archives, and, of course V&R, I'm starting to understand regression with an ordinal response variable. But I have a question (which may demonstrate that I really don't understand regression with an ordinal response variable)...

I have an ordinal variable with 5 levels (e.g., high, medium-high, medium, medium-low, and low) and 2 independent continuous variables.

Proportional odds logistic regression (e.g., polr() or lrm()) assumes that the effect of each independent variable is constant across the 5 levels of the ordinal dependent variable. Which, as I understand it, is at the heart of the proportional odds assumption.

Multinomial logit models (e.g., multinom()) allows the effect of the independent variables to differ across the levels of the categorical dependent variable, but does not use the information that our dependent variable is an ordered response.

Is there something out there in S-plus that I could use when the proportional odds assumption is violated that has the flexibility of the multinomial logit (with different effects sizes by level) but still accounts for the fact that I've got an ordered dependent variable? I feel like I must be missing or not understanding something.

Thank you for your help!

Cheers,
Andy


A chapter in my book Regression Modeling Strategies has a detailed case study of a continuation ratio ordinal logistic model with departures from the equal slopes assumption.

Frank Harrell

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