Mmm, well - I wasn't speaking to whether Dependent/Independent are good
terms in meteorology; I'd agree that it may be confusing. But I'm
assuming Weather folks have a good rationale for using those terms.
Anyways, I interpreted the issue as whether Winnie and colleagues should
use the common labels used in meteorology, or that used by
statisticians.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank E Harrell Jr [mailto:f.harrell@vanderbilt.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:55 PM
> To: Sung, Iyue
> Cc: S-PLUS Newsgroup
> Subject: Re: [S] statistical terminology controversy
>
> Sung, Iyue wrote:
> >
> > I don't see a controversy; it depends on the audience.
>
> I can't quite agree with that. 'Dependent' and 'independent'
> datasets is not valid terminology in any field that I know
> of, especially statistics.
>
> -Frank Harrell
>
> >
> > Different fields use different terms for the same
> statistical concepts.
> > So you'd use dependent/independent if you're speaking to
> > statisticians; development/testing to meteorologist.
> >
> > I'm not even sure it'd be desirable to have the same
> statistical term
> > used in all fields that uses statistics (most, to be sure).
> > That would probably make dry journal articles even drier.
> >
> > That's my $.02,
> > - Iyue
> >
> >
> > *From:* s-news-owner@lists.biostat.wustl.edu
> > [mailto:s-news-owner@lists.biostat.wustl.edu] *On Behalf Of
> > *Lambert.Winnie
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:24 PM
> > *To:* S-PLUS Newsgroup
> > *Subject:* [S] statistical terminology controversy
> >
> > * This is NOT an S-LUS-specific question, * just
> letting you know so
> > you don't have to read any further if not interested in anything
> > non-S-PLUS.
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a bit of a controversy in my office concerning specific
> > statistical terminology. I developed a set of logistic
> regression
> > equations that calculate the probability of lightning
> occurrence for
> > the day using a 15-year data set of several observation
> types. I
> > stratified the data into two sets: one was used to create the
> > equations, and the other was used to test the equations'
> > performance. In my field, these are commonly called the
> 'dependent'
> > and 'independent' data sets, respectively.
> >
> >
> >
> > One of us insists that the common terminology be used, the other
> > says the data sets should be called 'development' and 'testing'
> > since that is what they are used for, and since the terms
> > 'dependent' and 'independent' refer to other issues in
> statistics.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any statistics expert willing to jump into the fray is welcome.
> > There is no money riding on this, only pride.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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