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Re: Mixed effects models and R2

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Subject: Re: Mixed effects models and R2
From: Ernst Linder <elinder@cisunix.unh.edu>
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:56:36 -0500
Cc: GRAHAM LEASK <grahamleask@btopenworld.com>
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Graham:

In the paper by Gelman & Pardoe (see link)
several R-square like measures are proposed for each
level in a multilevel model.


http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/rsquared16.pdf

Ernst Linder.






Roberts, J. Kyle wrote:
Graham,
Don't report any R^2 statistic for any mixed effects model. Snijders & Bosker and Hox give lengthy discussions on why not to. I am presenting a paper at AERA this year on possible R^2 measures for 2-level linear models, but I assure you that it is not easy, nor straight-forward. If you look on my website at:
http://www.hlm-online.com/datasets/education/
Dataset 1 actually gives an example where adding a covariate increases the variance at level-2, which would mean negative variance explained (something not possible in OLS). Typically, an R^2-type metric makes little sense in HLM/mixed effects models. I hope that this helps,
Kyle
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Subject: [S] Mixed effects models and R2

With mixed effects models in S plus is it feasible to describe models in terms of how much of the variation explained? If so how do I gain an estimate of how much of the variation is explained by the model (i.e. an R2 figure). I am using S plus 7.0 but have relatively little experience in using this software.


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