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To: "Spencer Graves" <spencer.graves@pdf.com>, "Thompson, David (MNR)" <david.thompson@mnr.gov.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Visualising data by cleveland
From: "Russell Ivory" <Russell.Ivory@MerrickBank.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:49:44 -0600
Cc: "Jonathan Dakin" <jdakin@overwey.demon.co.uk>, "Splus Mailing List" <s-news@lists.biostat.wustl.edu>
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Thread-topic: [S] Visualising data by cleveland
I sent an email to Mr. Cleveland some time ago.  Here is his reply:

Russell,

I am pleased you find the books useful.

I am sorry, but I did not assemble software and data sets for Elements
for distribution.

Bill

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Subject: Re: [S] Visualising data by cleveland

          Are there script files for "The Elements of Graphing Data"?
Before I 
read David Thompson's email, I didn't know that scripts and data for 
"Visualizing Data" were available.

          I agree with Frank that these are "awesome books", and I'd
like to 
explain briefly why I think so.

          For me, the the seminal contribution of "The Elements of
Graphing 
Data" is its chapter summarizing research in visual perception:  What 
can you do in designing graphics so people get more information in less 
time?  The contents of this chapter have helped me, I believe, develop 
more effective graphics.

          The graphics in the two books seem to be the foundations of
Trellis / 
Lattice graphics.  They do not discuss how to create the graphics using 
S-Plus or R, only why those kinds of graphics are useful.  The data and 
script files increase substantially the value of the book(s).  When I 
read the books, I remember being frustrated by not knowing how to create

the graphics.  Thanks to David Thompson's email, I can now revisit 
"Visualizing Data".

          Spencer Graves        

Thompson, David (MNR) wrote:
>> Frank E Harrell Jr wrote:
>>
>> Jonathan Dakin wrote:
>>> Could anyone comment on the relative merits of two of Cleveland's
> books: 
>>> "Elements of Graphing Data" (94), and "Visualising Data"  (93) ?
>>>
>>> I'm looking for fairly basic account of the principles of graphical 
>>> exploration, with particular reference to Splus, which is not too
> heavy 
>>> on statistical theory.  My interest is medical data.  If the scripts
> and 
>>> datasets used in either are publicly available that would be a big
> plus.
>>> Many thanks
>>> Jonathan Dakin
>> These are awesome books and everyone who looks at data should own
them.
> 
>>  The Elements of Graphing Data book is the best how-to for scientific

>> graphics.  There is a web site with scripts from the books although 
>> Cleveland used a few customizations.
>>
>> -- 
>> Frank E Harrell Jr   Professor and Chair           School of Medicine
>>                      Department of Biostatistics   Vanderbilt 
>> University
> 
> That scripts link (at least for Visualizing Data) is:
>
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/ms/departments/sia/wsc/visualizing.datafig.ht
> ml
> 
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