Hello there,
I posted a similar question on both, S-news and the R-list (don't remember
the exact name) a few months ago, to my surprise I got very few replies.
Our department, actuarial-research, of the company I work for is in the
process of acquiring a Data Mining tool. We currently work with S+, mostly
me, and the actuaries on the team mostly with a glm package developped
purposely for actuarial modeling. The reviews I found (Gartner Magic
Quadrant and http://www.dmreview.com) are not oriented towards what a
practioneer wants to know.
After countless hours of searching, on the web, by different people from
different backgrounds we retained three DM software providers: Clementine
from SPSS, Data Miner from StatSoft and PolyAnalyst from Megaputer. We
will first test the StatSoft product for the following reasons: it comes
with a statistical package (Statistica), it implements pretty much all the
DM currently available techniques, it is multithreaded and reasonnably
priced. We will start testing in the next month or two and plan
implementation in January 2008 if, of course, we are happy with the tests;
otherwise we will test a different package.
Insightful Miner didn't make it to the short list mostly because it is
lacking the most recent techniques in DM: SVM, ensemble techiques, etc.
similar reasons for SAS' Entreprise Miner + the pricing policy.
Hope this helps a little,
Gérald Jean
Conseiller senior en statistiques, Actuariat
télephone : (418) 835-4900 poste (7639)
télecopieur : (418) 835-6657
courrier électronique: gerald.jean@dgag.ca
"In God we trust, all others must bring data" W. Edwards Deming
"Overstreet, Jason"
<joverstreet@hotwater.com Pour :
<Dario.Ciraki@ubs.com>,
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<s-news@lists.biostat.wustl.edu>
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s-news-owner@lists.biosta Objet : [??]Re: [S]
Insightful Miner vs. SAS Enterprise
t.wustl.edu Miner
2007/10/02 16:16
Veuillez répondre à
s-news
I suppose that someone out there had put together a matrix listing
capabilities (of course one of them being $, data set size, different
algorithms, etc)?
I know posting to an S-user group is going to yield a little bit of bias,
but I have read some honest to goodness objective opinions on here.
Really, I suppose a good question is to ask how many people that read this
have used both packages. I have used both S+ and SAS, but I haven't used
both Insightful Miner and SAS Enterprise Miner. I used SAS Enterprise
Miner one semester in a college course (and another one called WEKA in
another class). So who is knowledgeable of both Data Mining packages?
I know one of the old arguments revolves around the size of the data set.
However, with the S-plus Big Data Library, it is probably not an issue. I
work off a PC so it would be single user license and I tap into various
systems. I currently use SEQUEL Viewpoint to grab data which I analyze.
Maybe I will pose my questions to both SAS and Insightful sales reps and
see what the answer they offer. Again, I will probably need to use a bias
correction factor to both answers.
I am just surprised that the question of comparison between data mining
packages wouldn't have bubbled up before.
-Jason Overstreet
From: s-news-owner@lists.biostat.wustl.edu
[mailto:s-news-owner@lists.biostat.wustl.edu] On Behalf Of
Dario.Ciraki@ubs.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:46 PM
To: s-news@lists.biostat.wustl.edu
Subject: Re: [S] Insightful Miner vs. SAS Enterprise Miner
I-Miner comes with S+, so you can use S language, with SAS if you don't
have a button for something you are in the world of pain. Also unless you
are in academia and getting software for nomial cost you are comparing two
applications with price ration of 1:10, which has more to do with the size
of the problems SAS is supposed to be able to handle then with the methods
it implements. Given you know what you need, you choice should be easy.
From: s-news-owner@lists.biostat.wustl.edu
[mailto:s-news-owner@lists.biostat.wustl.edu] On Behalf Of A.J. Rossini
Sent: 02 October 2007 20:33
To: Overstreet, Jason
Cc: s-news@lists.biostat.wustl.edu
Subject: Re: [S] Insightful Miner vs. SAS Enterprise Miner
You havn't given the constraints for what you want to accomplish, but I
disagree with the spirit of what your friend said.
(similarly, most of the functions and procedures can be duplicated with
assembly language, but we aren't going there, either).
Without knowing what you want to accomplish and a bit about the environment
and constraints, all you'll get are biased opinions which if you are really
lucky, might be relevant to your case.
On 10/2/07, Overstreet, Jason <joverstreet@hotwater.com> wrote:
I need to make an objective decision on whether to use Insightful Miner or
SAS Enterprise Miner. If anyone has any references, opinion, or otherwise
helpful inputs into something that will describe the basic differences
between the two ? this would be greatly appreciated. I just got off the
phone with a friend of mine who is a professor and he said that most of the
functions and procedures can be duplicated within the base languages. I
don 't think this is a realistic option since I have to produce results and
don't have a lot of time reinventing the wheel. Please throw your opinions
out there on the subject. Thanks very much in advance?
Jason Overstreet
Statistician
ASQ: CRE, CQE
A.O. Smith
106 Adkisson Street
Ashland, TN 37015
Office: (615) 792-6253
Cell: (615) 495-6144
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Email: joverstreet@hotwater.com
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